Syrian going crazy after running in large enclosure

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I got a Syrian 2 weeks ago.
I gave him around 10 days to settle in it's cage and he seemed content and calm.
A few days ago I got a large enclosure where he can run around under my supervision - easier to interact with him this way too (I don't touch yet). Lots of toys for him there, a house and a sand bath.
Initially he seemed to enjoy it all, but very quickly the only aim was for him to escape the enclosure. Now, when he goes back in the cage he seems stressed and desperate to get out.
Cage is sufficient size, has bedding and everything he needs. I got a separate reptile tank filled with 6 inches of wood bedding, connected with a tube. He was enjoying both spaces.
Enclosure is much bigger and hoped that would give him the need for daily exploration and interaction. But he seems more stressed. Was it a mistake to introduce him to a bigger place and do you recommend I don't take him out of the cage? Maybe too early?
 

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Hello and welcome. A cage change can be very stressful for a hamster - even if it's to a better cage. It can be less stressful if you move everything over from the old cage (all the old bedding and contents) without cleaning anything - as then it still smells familiar and if you have the layout similar (eg wheel back left, house on the right etc) then their "routine" is also similar. They would still be a bit skitty for the first few days but settle quicker.

So it might be that. Or it might be something else as well. Although a bigger cage is more space for them, if it's too exposed (eg lots of open space) and not very deep bedding then they can feel stressed and insecure and want to escape. So a lot of clutter to fill it up helps. Lots of tunnels, things like large cork logs, a large multiroom house that's dark inside, a platform to sit under, and deep enough bedding they can burrow down in,

If you already have all that then it won't be the open space that's the issue. It's probably just the change (or a bit of both). If you only got him 2 weeks ago, he's probably still a baby :-) So they get scared really easily,

We have all been there. With our first hamster, the first cage was far too small and that quickly became apparent. I googled and bought a larger one. I then made the awful mistake of just moving him cold turkey into the new cage. He literally sat and shook for three days. We were all really worried and thought he might die. I contemplated moving him back to his old cage but that wasn't an option - he had already got stuck in some of the tubes so it wasn't safe.

I did realise at one point that he could still smell his old cage, not far away, in the room. And he did seem to settle a bit once I removed that from the room and cleaned up round the area of his old cage so his scent wasn't there (the new one was next to it a bit further along).

We tried putting a blanket over the new cage so he didn't feel so scared (but you have to be careful there as they can chew the blanket through the top of the cage! And that's bad for them if they ingest fabric - very serious). So cardboard on top is better.

In our case this continued for about 10 days. And then suddenly he was happy, enjoying his cage and running in his wheel. It does take 10 days to 2 weeks for them to fully settle into a cage.

So yes it maybe was a bit soon for the upgrade if he'd just settled into his old cage for 2 weeks. But now it's done, you'll probably be best just making it as easy for him to settle as you can.

The main thing now is to avoid any cleaning out at all - it'll be fine for a couple of weeks. And not moving anything around or taking anything out of the cage (unless it's something that proves to be unsafe). Adding something new is usually accepted ok as long as it doesn't mean moving something else or taking something else out! So if you added a platform at one end or a new tube, he might quite like that and investigate it. This is just a suggestion in case there's quite a lot of open space.

When you say he's trying to escape (which will be stress partly) - what type of cage/enclosure is it? If it's a barred cage, is he bar chewing? If it's a wood cage, you might need to put a playpen around it as hamsters regularly chew their way out of wood cages.

In terms of adding things, if you don't have much depth of substrate, then adding more substrate, as well as clutter, will help and might distract him out of it.

Otherwise, maybe just let him out regularly for some out of cage time. In a safe area - if you don't have a playpen type area then you could use the dry bath tub. Put a blanket in the bottom and a few things like a tunnel and a hidey place (cardboard tissue box eg). And a chew and some food and let him run around in there. It's also a way to start taming/socialising him slowly.

This article gives more detail about taming as it can take time and needs to be done gradually (unless he's already hand tame?) but mainly it's to let him out regularly if he's trying to escape and gradually he should start to settle.

If you do still have his old cage in the room though, I would take it well away from that room and clean around the area where it was (unless the new cage is on top of the old area! In which case don't clean). The smell of his old cage might be driving him frantic - home!

For the hamster, a sudden cage change is like being kidnapped :-) I often let them have a play in the new cage the day before moving them over, so they've had a bit of an adjustment and the new one has their scent on it.
 
Thank you very much for the great response.
Reading my post again, I wasn't entirely clear; I haven't made a cage change, but bought an enclosure/playpen - I open his cage and let him come out.
He is no longer interested in the playpen, only trying to get out (he managed once shortly!)
My concern is that it's too much for him at this point. 9 weeks old.
I will leave him be for a few days and hope he will settle down.
I do want to tame him as soon as possible but I guess thee has been too many changes during the 2-weeks I had him.

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Ooh he is gorgeous! Sorry if I misread your post! Well if he's happily settled in his original cage, then it sounds like he is just being naughty! Ha ha. He's had a taste of freedom and wants more. So is the playpen set up round the cage? And you just open the door sometimes? Is he chewing the bars to get out?

It might actually be he does need a bigger cage though! Although can't tell what size the current one is.

I take it his name is Eddie :)

I missed the photo above too! Of the set up - sorry - it is a bit late here! Ok so you have a cage leading to a digging box one way and into the playpen the other way? Obviously you can't leave the cage open to the playpen all the time without supervision or he'd chew out of it. So he's trying to dictate his out of cage time.

Looking at it though, a bigger cage would be better and he might be more content if he had everything in one larger cage - eg bedding for digging - their cage or enclosure is their environment where they dig, forage etc and they do seem to need one larger space rather than two smaller connected ones.
 
No worries - I appreciate your help!
So the pet shop sold me a cage that didn't allow for deep bedding. It has about 2 inches of paper pellets bedding. He seemed to enjoy running in the tube so I connected it to a reptile tank that I filled up with wood shavings. It has a little house too and he seems to like going there.
I open the main cage door and let him go in the playpen under my supervision. But he seems to want the whole flat now!
Had I done more research first, I would have bought one large acrylic tank. But I think it will be too much for him to change home right now1000087288.jpg
 
Are you in the US? There aren't really any barred cages big enough. There is one - the Zanzibar cage from Exotic Nutrition - that used to be the minimum cage size in the Uk (about 80cm x 50cm) but most people think it's not quite big enough (people ended up upgrading). Some hamsters would still bar chew in that and the base isn't very deep for bedding again, but you can get 6" in or more if you put cardboard inside the bars (as long as the hamster doesn't chew cardboard!)

There are some very expensive niteangel enclosures about 100 x 50cm or larger (100 x 50 is the size considered to be about the minimum needed now). A lot of people get a glass tank when there are dollar per gallon sales. In the US, a 40 gallon breeder is considered about the minimum size (about 90cm x 45cm or 3 foot x 18"). A 75 gallon is better. Or some people make bin cages. You can get some 200 litre bins from Home mart if you can do a bit of diy to mesh the whole lid.

I think he is probably enjoying running around between things but maybe doesn't have a settled routine like they would in one larger cage. Some Syrians are just generally more outgoing than others though. I have one that used to want to be out every single night. And another who I hardly ever see!
 
I'm in the UK. Did a lot of research tonight. I have decided to scrap this little cage and the addition and get something proper. Pretty much narrowed it down to the Bucatstate 2.0. It's clear the pet shop was not being honest with the size and need to burrow deep.
This case ticks all boxes for me including much better view of our new family member. I will create a new thread in another section as I have some questions about setting up this specific enclosure. Thanks for getting me in the right direction!
 
It's hard when the pet shops give you wrong information, sounds like you have a plan now.
He is a gorgeous boy😃
 
If you're in the Uk there is lots of choice :) The Bucatstate is a popular choice though :) The Savic Plaza 120 barred cage is cheaper - but it really needs panels attaching inside the bars so the bedding can go deeper - which then makes it about the same price as the Bucatstate! Although you can use cardboard, but my syrian chewed all the cardboard off 🤣
 
Hello Winther1 and Eddie, welcome to the forum. Eddie is a real cutee, what a fab photo, love his colouring too. Look forward to hearing more about him as he settles in.
 
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