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Duprasi, the missing link between hamsters and gerbils.

Duprasi are actually more closely related to gerbils (they are also known as the fat-tailed gerbil), but in general care is closer to that of a hamster. They are about the size of a dwarf hamster, and just as clumsy, so consideration has to be given to making sure they can’t fall of things. So the cage I planned for a dwarf only needed a couple of tweaks.

They are insectivores, so diet is again hamster or gerbil food supplemented with lots of insects. They also like a bit of fresh food, but as desert animals, not to much.

One big difference is the level of destruction! When I had gerbils, lots of people collected loo rolls for me, as they got through so many. With a dwarf hamster, I was throwing them out. Apparently, these little furballs can beat a gerbil in a loo roll threading competition!
 
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This is an early picture of my cage. It is also my coffee table! There is a burrowing area on the right, which now I’ve made it,I think is likely too small. My dwarf hamsters made a burrow, and stuck to it. They only used half the cage really, so I made myself a magazine shelf. I’m going to make a bigger 120cm cage, with an 80cm burrowing area (this one is 100cm). The burrowing area in the new one will have removable lids on it. I’ve found both hamsters and gerbils seemed to prefer to walk on solid ground, rather than bedding.
 
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Inside to the left on the shelf is ‘the beach’ with sand bath. Under it is the woodland area with bark substrate, leaf and veg forage. There is also a hide filled with moss that can be taken to a burrow for nesting. Next to that is the coco soil forage box filled with dried mealworms and crickets.
Moth can do a complete circuit round the outside of the cage - apparently that’s important for Duprasi
 
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The other side of the cage has the wheel, access to the burrow area behind the wheel, and the garden shelf with a house, grass hide, seeds in the lotus head, readigrass substrate and flower forage.

I’m pleased with the cage, but will be starting on the bigger one soon, as I know I can do better!
 
I promise I’ll add more info to the Degu thread soon, for anyone who is interested in the other furries out there
 
That looks amazing! You are very creative and Moth looks very sweet. So Moth will like destroying things then?! Will the set up look rampaged soon then? 🤣
 
Duprasi are actually more closely related to gerbils (they are also known as the fat-tailed gerbil), but in general care is closer to that of a hamster. They are about the size of a dwarf hamster, and just as clumsy, so consideration has to be given to making sure they can’t fall of things. So the cage I planned for a dwarf only needed a couple of tweaks.

They are insectivores, so diet is again hamster or gerbil food supplemented with lots of insects. They also like a bit of fresh food, but as desert animals, not to much.

One big difference is the level of destruction! When I had gerbils, lots of people collected loo rolls for me, as they got through so many. With a dwarf hamster, I was throwing them out. Apparently, these little furballs can beat a gerbil in a loo roll threading competition!
She can give Blossom a run for her money then who has a love of shredding egg boxes lol
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That looks amazing! You are very creative and Moth looks very sweet. So Moth will like destroying things then?! Will the set up look rampaged soon then? 🤣
Thank you. Sometimes being creative can feel like a bit of a curse, you can’t just keep things simple! It took me ages to stick all the moss on. But I think it was worth it. I’m intrigued to see how the destruction affects things. I’m planning out the new cage, but depending on the damage done here, I may have to scale back my plans :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
I've heard of gerbils trying to move their wheels down into their nests and also degus forming chain gangs to dig tunnels. There are some pretty determined rodent demolition crews 🪖🚜
 
Could you tell us some of the specific features about Duprasi that are gerbil-like or hamster-like please? :-) Do they pouch food, dig tunnels and build nests? Do they have tails? Do they climb? (Edit sorry you mentioned earlier they have tails!)

They seem to have a bit of a look of the "Pacific pocket mouse" - there's a thread about them here - I watched a few videos about them reintroducing them to certain areas and it was fascinating.

 
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Could you tell us some of the specific features about Duprasi that are gerbil-like or hamster-like please? :-) Do they pouch food, dig tunnels and build nests? Do they have tails? Do they climb? (Edit sorry you mentioned earlier they have tails!)

They seem to have a bit of a look of the "Pacific pocket mouse" - there's a thread about them here - I watched a few videos about them reintroducing them to certain areas and it was fascinating.

Will add more info, but may need to wait until after the weekend. Have been preparing for the royal visit aka my mum. I take the opportunity to deep clean the house, as she only comes once a year for the quilt show. Then I’m working the weekend…….. 😵‍💫
 
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Another picture of Moth. Unfortunately I haven't got many, she's been in hiding for a week and I didn't go and dig her out when I should have. We are now getting back on track with taming her, but it is going to be tricky. Unfortunately an importance difference between hamsters and dupraisi seems to be the duprasi love of insects. The only treat I have found to tempt Moth so far is live waxworms. As I'm rather phobic about wriggly things, this is proving difficult.......... However a move into a slightly smaller cage for a bit so she has to engage more, whilst I simplify her big one, and a concerted effort from me and we should soon be back on track. I've also got perspex for the doors of her big cage, as I suspect the cat might have distressed her a bit. My hamsters and gerbils never bothered about the cat, but they were in a tank. I hate drilling ventilation holes in perspex, but needs must.

Anyway, a bit more info about the Duprasi - also known as fat-tailed gerbils or 'doops'. There are a couple of slightly different variations, although I'm not sure exactly what the differences are. They come from the Sahara region, and are desert, burrowing rodents. The fat tail that gives them their name is used to store fluid and fat - like a mini camel hump!

Duprasi are actually part of the gerbil family, but aren't as agile as the usual mongolian gerbil that is usually seen in pet shops. In fact the advice on cage set up is similar to that of hamsters - no high ledges that they can fall off (apparently they are even more clumsy than hamsters) and be careful with ramps. It appears they can start going up a ramp, change their mind, try to turn round and fall off. Although they are actually quite good at climbing up, they ain't good at getting down. I do sometimes wonder if Darwin really got his theory right - you wonder how some species made it this far! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

They are very active and love running. A suggested cage layout is to have most stuff away from the walls, so they can get all around the outside of the cage and do loops. With this in mind, I have one house at the edge of my set up, but it has holes in both sides so Moth can just run through it. A wheel is also a must. Most things I've read recommend a 20cm minimum, but others suggest 28cm. Moth currently has the 21cm Buccastate wheel, but I'll see how we go on and size up if needed as she gets older.

As mentioned above duprasi are insect lovers. The elongated nose is apparently a sign of an insectivore, so whilst hamsters might like the odd mealworm etc. duprasi need plenty of insects in their diet. They can have just dried, and I initially bought dried mealworms and crickets. Or they can have pellets for insectivores, such as hedgehogs, mixed in with seeds and fresh greens. However they also like fresh, and waxworms are a particular fav. I am feeding them to Moth by tweezers, as there is no way I can manage to touch them. She goes crazy as soon as she smells them and snatches them off me. It's fine at the moment as she is still growing, but waxworms are high in fat, so I will need to be careful not to over feed them unless I want an obese duprasi on my hands!

Like gerbils, and in contrast to hamsters, duprasi don't have pouches, and don't make food stores. They also don't seem to be potty trainable, so cleaning is more difficult. Duprasi need sand baths to help themselves keep clean. They seem to get quite greasy looking, although there is some debate on whether this is a genetic trait, as some are more greasy than others. Getting them to rummage through hay is another way of reducing the grease in the coat apparently. Moth hasn't looked greasy to me yet, although I can see she seems to have some hint of it in the photo above.

As with the majority of small rodents, duprasi are mostly crepuscular, so active at dawn and dusk. Moth has really only been coming out at night, which is a bit unusual as far as I can make out. What drew me to duprasi was their ability to adapt and become more day loving. They are supposed to be laid back, and have a habit of 'pancaking' - they just form a puddle in your hand. Moth is being very grumpy with me at the moment, so we are working. Again, this may be due to the smell of cat, or may be because she is a girl, and they can be a bit more territorial. I know she was well handled, she sat quite happily in my hand when I got her, but leaving her for a week was a mistake. I should have maintained contact.

The final thing I can think of is the issue of keeping multiples or solos. The admittedly small community still doesn't have much of a consensus on this. Some say they can live together, but sibling or mother - daughter pairings are best. For some they may live happily to start, but then fall out and need to be separated, as they can kill each other when they fight. It's also recognised that they can live quite happily alone. The most sensible advice I saw, was that if you don't have space or cash for 2 large set ups, it's best to have just one. If you are going to have multiple, ensure the cage has at least 2 of everything, preferably 3. Even if duprasi live together happily, they may prefer to sleep separately.

That's all I can think of for now. If you can think of anything I've missed, just ask :)
 
That's really fascinating and detailed information - thank you :-) It's very descriptive and I can imagine Moth doing circuits round her cage, toppling off ramps and being an insect hunter! I'm definitely with you on not liking handling live insects. I have never done it. I was freaked out enough when one of my Syrians found a slug on the floor and pouched it :ROFLMAO:

Anyway on to other topics. The fat tail for storing liquid and fat is understandable, if they don't have pouches for hoardng. A very different make up. And presumably why they like/need insects as they can't keep food hoards in the same way.

A 21cm wheel sounds good to me but I would't know! I assume they need to be spindle-less wheels due to them having tails (which most wheels are these days anyway).

She sounds like she's being a little diva at the moment! So do they not eat grains etc as well as insects? The pellets sound a good idea in addition to live insects as I imagine most owners would struggle to keep enough live insects!

I used to have a real phobia about moths. I don't any more - I got rid of it by staying in a very natural place once in the woods and had time to watch all the local wildlife including all the species of moths - some of which blended in with bark on trees and found it quite fascinating. So seeing them as they're meant to be - in the natural environment, and interesting, changed the way I felt about them. I still don't like them in the house if they flutter at you - but not to the extreme I had before! I just rationalised that they weren't meant to be trapped inside houses! So arms length I can deal with them!
 
She sounds like she's being a little diva at the moment! So do they not eat grains etc as well as insects? The pellets sound a good idea in addition to live insects as I imagine most owners would struggle to keep enough live insects!

She is being a total diva! I've tried to offer most treat items by hand, the only thing she will take is the one I have to give by tweezers! I've not actually gone down the pellet route - you can get quite a bit of dried insect, there are a couple of sellers who bits on Etsy, but I found 'Chubby's Mealworms' who do a good range in bigger quantities. Far better than the live stuff - I have no idea how long my little tub of live waxworms is going to live, but I suspect I'll be on a weekly visit to PAH for a bit!

was freaked out enough when one of my Syrians found a slug on the floor and pouched it

I'm freaked out reading about it!!! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: That is truly revolting!!!

I used to have a real phobia about moths.

I can understand that one, when they fly at you, it can be quite unnerving, especially if you aren't expecting it. Moth's name came about as I was thinking about her name on the way home. Most of my small furries have had names related to my spinning and weaving - Louet is the make of my loom, we had 'Warp and Weft' the gerbils, followed by 'Eri and Tussah' who were also gerbils and named after types of silk that matched their colour. I had been through sheep breeds whilst thinking about wool, then thought about silk, and from there the silk moth came to mind. Moth stuck in my head for the rest of the drive, so I figured that must be her name........
 
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